The Russian Revolution, like many historical topics, cannot be traced back to just one cause, or in this case area of causes. The overthrow of the Romanov dynasty was a combination or a collapse from within, and an overthrow from without. Our previous unit showed that there is always a culmination of small events and building problems that end up leading to a large event that everyone focuses on. For example, World War I did not just begin like the snap of a finger; it took several things on top of each other to bring about the scale of the war, in the revolution, there were a multitude of problems needed to make the conditions right for an overthrow of an established government.
Leadership from the Tsar does hold a lot of blame in the revolution. Poor leadership led to the only European power to ever lose to an Asian empire in the Russo-Japanese war. This loss began to undermine the Romanov credibility to its people, as they began to question the power of their nation under the Tsar. The military’s morale also must have been devastated not only by the loss, but also by the reaction of the people when they learned of the defeat. The Tsar lost even more of his people’s respect during Bloody Sunday, when he had his military gun down a crowd of people at the palace who were protesting his rule, and saying they had no food. The Tsar’s rash decision showed his people that he did not care for their needs or views, and when a country sees this, it is hard for a leader to maintain their obedience, because no one wants to follow a man who has no care for whether they live or die. Tsar Nicholas’s arguably biggest mistake was deciding to take control of the war effort during World War I, and removing all of his military leaders. If he had been able to win this war, his credibility would have been restored, so as an act of desperation, this was a gutsy and arguably good decision, because with the enemy fighting a two front war, the victory should have been swift and absolute. The only thing the Tsar overlooked was his own lack of war leadership, and with the vastness of the Russian military, it would take a genius strategist for things to run smoothly. The loss of the war was the last straw for the Tsar, who ended up with no choice but to abdicate the thrown.
In terms of the Romanov dynasty being overthrown, there were many instances of outside causes manifesting themselves in the end result of a new government. Workers and peasants began to grow angry over a lack of food, and of rights. When the majority population of a country isn’t happy with the government, there comes a point when the government cannot keep control. This unrest gave rise to the Soviets, who wanted more rights for workers, and a more equal treatment of the lower classes. These soviets would play a large part in how the government was shaped during the revolutions. The soldiers began to go against orders, and actually joined the protesters in some cases (source 2), which shows a lack of structure in the lower branches of government. Also in source two, it talks about how western ideals of democracy were being spread through literature. These new ideals in the youth of the country would lead to a want for a better system than a monarchal rule. These factors began to change the view towards the Tsar, and show how an overthrow was a realistic view as to how the Romanov Dynasty ended.
Both a collapse from within, and an overthrow from without contributed to the Russian Revolution and set up the foundings of the USSR.
I agree with all of your ideas; however, the ideas that you believe are an outside cause of the overthrow, I believe are inside causes. From the World War I unit, we learned that a total war, which World War I was, is inclusive of many countries and effects all aspects of life. That includes the changing of the structure of the economy, as well as the change of government involvement and social life. Because the Czar failed to act on an increase of government involvement during the war, I believe this cause is an overthrow from within. For example, for America, George Creel sold the war to Americans through propaganda; making them want to help the war effort by planting "victory gardens", being willing to cut out certain foods on certain days, and ration. The Czar, however, failed to accommodate the needs of the people due a lack of concern. Rather than listening to the many warnings in Source 3 of the people's actions, the Czar ignored them and even remarked, "Again, that fat-bellied Rodzianko has written me a load of nonsense, which I won't even bother to answer," (Czar Nicholas II, Source 3). This shows that the problem of food was a problem that could have been prevented by him through the intervention of the government into people's lives during a total war, which is necessary. Also, although the soldiers were participating in the war, they were citizens too that were sick of the Czar's rule. Once again, it is the Czar's actions that led to such resentment, which is a cause from within.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ian when he says that Bloody Sunday was one of the major things that lead the people to lose confidence and all hope in the Czar. Ian said that it made the people lose obedience. So i think the Czars plan back fired on him because, most likely, the cause of him shooting the people was to gain obedience from them. He thought that if he showed them that he was boss and he was not messing around, then they would respect him and become more obedient. The opposite of this actually happened. So maybe the Czar was trying to get the people back on his side by doing this........maybe.
ReplyDeleteBut i see where Anitra is coming from, but i disagree. I do not think that the food shortages was part of the collapse from within. One of our sources said that Russia was having a terrible crop year. This made the prices rise on food. Therefore the people could not afford food. The fact that they crops were terrible cannot be blamed on the Czar, he cannot control that. He also would not be able to just lower the prices of the food because then the farmers who actually grow the food would not be getting their share of money. The Czar probably could have taken some steps to help the people but it cannot be blamed on him. So i disagree that the food shortages was a collapse from within.
I agree with Ian's general statement of leadership being the main reason for the downfall, such as the loss to an Asian power, but one instance i dont necessarily agree upon is his statement of how the Romanov Dynasty was overthrown from without. Yes the Tsar did effect not only his people but the empires surrounding him but the people's unrest didnt immediately give rise to the Soviet power. The Tsar had many strategies into which he could regain the respect of the peple and his status of high leader, such as the Duma. I feel the need to argue the point that the Romanov Dynasty wasn't overthrown from without but more or less bullied and rambled by the outside empires. As seen in Source 1 there were many letters exchanged, some even demanding Nicholas II's abdication, that discussed the Tsar's beginning to a spiral downfall but none really touched on the point that they would be stepping in if he didnt resign. So, was the Tsar really affected by those on the outside?
ReplyDeleteTo touch on Leanne's point about the food shortage and crop season difficulties, I believe it was still able to be blamed upon the Tsar. Yes it is hard to get around that there was a poor harvesting season but still, he took on this role of leadership and responsibility and he should be able to provide for his people as he was committed to do! Having such power he had the capability of getting help from his allies, or of those countries that surrounded him, but he never stpeed up to the plate. He had the chance to fulfill his duty, but he failed.
I agree with you...mostly. But you said the czar "had no choice but to abdicate the throne," could he not have just changed his ways of dealing with the people and become less hard-headed?? He could have given the people slightly more power and kept his high status. I also agree with Anitra when she says that the causes you use for your overthrow pretty much relate back to the czar's fault. You even hint at that all being the czar's fault in how you present it.
ReplyDeleteCan I add to your thoughts though, Ian, that the people of Russia did not even know what they wanted?? They overthrew the government for a democratic government; then went on to overthrow that. They were so naive they would listen to anything. Anyone who promised the slightest thing to them, they would follow. So in all, the government under the Romanov's simply did not provide EVERYTHING the Russian citizens wanted. Simply stated, the whole Russian Revolution was a cycle of prmised and unfulfilleded wants. I don't know if I'm following your thoughts with saying that or starting my own thought track...but I that's how I see the Russian Revolution as a double-caused issue, between an overthrow and a collapse.
See, Sanford, I'm going to have to disagree with you on a couple aspects and more so support Anitra's argument. It seems to me that you're kind of arguing for the idea of the "collapse from within," even when you're going for the "overthrow from without." You were talking about how workers became angry and started acting against the government, and that the people will rise up *if the government isn't sufficient.* If the Czar was more attentive to his people (maybe listened to the Duma a bit, since they were the voice of the people?), would they have reacted as they did? We've had some pretty angry citizens in America, and I haven't seen anything this major. Granted, this is 2009. Just pointing that out. The literature thing applies as well; to put it into a modern-day perspective, check out all the blogs and newspaper and magazine articles out there against any leader we vote into office. I still haven't seen anything major happen since before we were born, as far as U.S. citizens are concerned. It seems to me that people are going to be unhappy pretty much no matter what, and that they'll find reasons to back that up. I'd say that the circumstances have to be pretty extreme before anything actually *happens.*
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